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« : 23 de Junio de 2009, 06:34:46 »

Aquí viendo tanto de instrumentos pero nada de voces...
He pensado que podríamos hablar de eso, yo estoy aprendiendo a hacer guturales pero las clases cuestan una pasta y creo q me voy a joder la garganta...  Además están los tipo Angela Gossow y los tipo Alexi Laiho, q son más fáciles los primeros pero molan más los otros; total q creo q podríamos intercambiar técnicas o algo *eternamente agradecida*. Ya veremos! =p
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« Respuesta #1 : 24 de Junio de 2009, 04:02:58 »

uff en tecnicas no puedo ayudarte, pero te aseguro que estoy viendo que eres una de las tias mas guerreras que veo en mucho tiempo, un agudo saludo
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« Respuesta #2 : 24 de Junio de 2009, 05:09:59 »

Buf! Pues tengo una cara de pija acojonante!! Si algún día doy un concierto casi q me disfrazo de Paris Hilton y q contraste, xq si no llevo diez capas de pintura negra tengo una cara de ingenua q lo flipas!!

En fin, de todo tiene que haber. Ya veré si me pillo algún cursillo online de Melissa Cross y aprendo algo...

Gracias de todos modos!!   =p
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« Respuesta #3 : 24 de Junio de 2009, 06:04:30 »

En mi opinión un buen gutural es muy dificil, pero las voces rasgadas como las de Alexi joden bastante la garganta si no se saben hacer...

De todas maneras todo esto o se saca de estomago o te destroza XDD
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« Respuesta #4 : 24 de Junio de 2009, 07:52:24 »

Desayunando todos los dias un carajillo de wisky,se te puede poner una voz de cazallera muy chula..te dejo aki un tutorial de como hacer una cancion grindcore:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD9zfw_b-3k" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD9zfw_b-3k</a>
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« Respuesta #5 : 24 de Junio de 2009, 10:00:31 »

Jajaja!!   la gracia es tener la voz suave y q luego les sueltes una de esas!!  =p      Pero bueno, gracias, iré echando un ojo.  Lengua

A Alexi se le nota una voz normal hablando, pero cuando canta, incluso sin forzar le sale rasgada, como en el estribillo de "Are you dead yet?". Molaría poder cantar en plan Simone Simons o Tarja Turunen y luego cambiar, jajaja!
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« Respuesta #6 : 25 de Junio de 2009, 12:59:10 »

Exale un ojo a Alissa White Gluz cantante de The agonist,la jodida suele hacer los dos registros y no veas que bien le keda...
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« Respuesta #7 : 25 de Junio de 2009, 01:05:49 »

ostia como mola ese grupo no?, no lo conocia
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« Respuesta #8 : 25 de Junio de 2009, 02:08:48 »

Yo tampoco lo conocía, mola!
¿La voz fuerte es suya? ¡Parece otra!
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« Respuesta #9 : 25 de Junio de 2009, 08:48:32 »

Pues si,si es suya..te dejo por aki un video en directo para que veais que no hay truco
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybKELMylLBY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybKELMylLBY</a>
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« Respuesta #10 : 25 de Junio de 2009, 09:31:05 »

vale, me lo creo!!  jajaja
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« Respuesta #11 : 26 de Junio de 2009, 05:41:49 »

Por cierto,ayer en la noche estaba cotilleando en una pagina de descargas y me encontre con un manual acerca de tecnicas de voces guturales,aprovecho para postearlo:

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El cantar gutural es una cuestión muy técnica, por lo tanto si todas
las personas lo practican lo pueden lograr, en el canto gutural es muy
difícil imitar la voz de alguien, por que cada persona tiene su propia
voz gutural, pueden haber casos de parecidos, pero eso es por que
ocupan la misma técnica

Para empezar lo primero que uno debe hacer es perder la vergüenza, esa
vergüenza puede hacer que perdamos el potencial que podemos sacar así
que cuando tomen el micrófono conviértanse en demonios.

Existen muchas formas de cantar gutural pero las mas usadas son como 7, las mas importantes también

1.- Raspeo de garganta

- Si el raspeo de garganta la mas dolorosa de todas las técnicas, para
lograrla se deben cerrar bastante las cuerdas vocales y mantener el
tórax relativamente desinflado, esta técnica no alcanza tonos tan
bajos, usada mucho en el Back Metal,o también en los grupos Death metal melódico.
Siguiendo con el procedimiento,se hace pasar el aire por un
pequeño orificio echo por las cuerdas vocales, se requiere aplicar
mucha fuerza con el diafragma, presionando los músculos abdominales
progresivamente, pero cuidando de no inflar mucho el pecho, si se hace
muy despacio no sonara muy bien, si se hace bastante fuerte sonara
súper bien, pero provocara que el aire que no puede pasar por las
cuerdas vocales choque con la garganta y dolerá, Cantando así por lo
menos 2 horas 2 a 3 días de la semana, la garganta se fortalecerá y ya
no dolerá, si se deja de practicar volverá a doler de nuevo

Otra cosa importante es disfrazar la letra "A" con las palabras
"SAITAN" "TO THE BREAAKIN GRAAAND" , enfatizar la letra "A" o cantar
con la letra "A", Saldrán notas mas agudas, Para notas intermedias
conviene disfrazar la letra "E".

El vocalista de Back Dahlia Murder ocupa esta técnica y la siguiente en
sus canciones, por eso da la impresión de que hubieran 2 vocalistas uno
agudo y uno grave.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSiuE54fl48" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSiuE54fl48</a>
2.- Gutural Profundo

-Para lograr sacar esta voz es necesario abrir las cuerdas vocales al
máximo, así en voz normal diciendo un "ohh" profundo, y lo segundo es
inflar el pecho al máximo, o sea tratar de ensanchar la cavidad
toráxica al máximo, lo tercero es con el diafragma, presionar los
músculos abdominales progresiva y vigorosamente para , lanzar una
ráfaga de aire que choque con la garganta, esto provocara una vibración
que hará que suene el sonido gutural, la letra O le dará profundidad, y
el ensanchamiento de la caja toráxica hará la función de una caja de
resonancia profunda, el ensanchamiento de la caja toráxica es la clave
para esta técnica, esta técnica es menos dolorosa que la anterior,
diría que mucho menos dolorosa, ya que las cuerdas nos sufren tanto por
que están mas abiertas, pero si es cansador por que se necesita
mantener un tono muscular constante para mantener (valga la repetición)
la caja toráxica inflada, resumiendo se debe tratar de disfrazar la
letra "O" con las palabras.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKYeoKgoGko" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKYeoKgoGko</a>

3.- Grito Heavy metal Carraspeado Gutural

Esta técnica la ocupaba Chuck Schuldiner, el mejor ejemplo es
Painkiller, la base para esta técnica es dominar la primera técnica, y
de partida tener una voz normal relativamente aguda, la cuestión radica
en cerrar tanto las cuerdas vocales provocando una vibración muy
rápida, saldrá entonces un grito heavy metal gutural.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPliK3eAy4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quPliK3eAy4</a>

4.- Dobles voces

- Esta técnica es rarísima y difícil de dominar, Dani Filth ocupa mucho
esta técnica, se escuchan como unos gritos finos, y dobles, para lograr
esta técnica se necesita cerrar tanto las cuerdas vocales que quede un
pequeño espacio en este, un ínfimo espacio, y no aplicar mucha fuerza
con el diafragma, o sea presionar ligeramente los músculos abdominales,
provocando que el aire rose suavemente con las cuerdas vocales
superiores e inferiores haciendo distintos ruidos con estas, por eso se
escucha como "doble" es por el rose entre las 4 cuerdas vocales, la
fuerza aplicada debe ser solo con el diafragma, presionando levemente
los músculos abdominales, cuesta sacar un sonido constante con esta
técnica, al principio suena como entre cortado, pero hay que practicar
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXANFETVp3A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXANFETVp3A</a>
5.- Voz Violentada

Quizás la mas apetecida por algunos, la usa bastante Max Cavalera, para
hacerla se necesita dominar la técnica numero 2, pero en vez de que la
vibración sea tan potente, hay que sacar un poquito de nuestra voz,
claro sonara mas grave de lo normal.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFqfibBuMMg" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFqfibBuMMg</a>
6.- Sonido Grindcore Agudo

-Existen pero miles y miles de personas que dicen técnicas distintas
para cantar así, pero me e dado cuenta que esta técnica se hace para
adentro, inhalando el aire y haciendo lo pasar por las cuerdas vocales.
bajando el diafragma lentamente, para lograrla se necesita disfrazar
las letras "UI" o "I", es por eso que los vocalistas que cantan así se
escuchan como "cerdos", para hacerla es necesario cerrar casi
completamente las cuerdas vocales, y bajar el diafragma lentamente pero
a la vez de forma violenta, o sea pensando en destruir tu garganta,
también se necesita tener el tórax inflado, para darle mas profundidad
al sonido, esta técnica es muy dolorosa, generalmente las personas que
recién la están practicando aguantan máximo 2 canciones seguidas. Pero
hay que practicar 2 horas 2 o 3 veces a la semana.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nex3pzUi_l0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nex3pzUi_l0</a>
7.- Sonido Grindcore Grave

-Es parecido a la técnica numero 2 pero en vez de usar la letra "O" se usa la "UI" o la letra "I" ]]
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_SqtCNhv44" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_SqtCNhv44</a>


Algunos Consejos:
- No privar alcohol mientras ensayas.
- Evitar las bebidas frías.
- Si eres fumador no fumar mucho antes de ensayar, puedes sentir como
que la garganta te falla. Si eres novato y sobre todo, si empleas la
técnica de carraspeo NO FUMES ni mientras ni después de ensayar, puedes
quedarte sin garganta xD.

- Los chicles, caramelos y demás de sabor fuerte son la ostia, muy recomendables.

- Traga limón a pelo y haz gárgaras, a veces un chupito de licor de
menta lo cura todo (esto en caso de que estés algo jodido de la
garganta y tengas que forzar)

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« Respuesta #12 : 27 de Junio de 2009, 12:14:52 »

¡Esto es una respuesta y lo demás son tonterías! Yo q estaba a punto de poner alguna cosa de cómo hacer guturales, me parece q después de esto me lo guardo porque sobra...  =p

Gracias Andriüs!  Sonrisa
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« Respuesta #13 : 28 de Junio de 2009, 11:41:32 »

Increible... me salen algunas cosas!!! XDD solo me faltaba tecnica XDD

Por cierto, el Pig Squeal (grindcore que parecen cerdos XDD) aseguro que también se hacen exhalando y no solo inhalando
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« Respuesta #14 : 29 de Junio de 2009, 07:21:48 »

Muy buen aporte de informacion!
Por cierto, alguien mas se ha fijado que en el video de cradle of filth el headbanging lo ponen al reves?? xD
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« Respuesta #15 : 29 de Junio de 2009, 03:19:43 »

Muy buen aporte de informacion!
Por cierto, alguien mas se ha fijado que en el video de cradle of filth el headbanging lo ponen al reves?? xD
Asi de malos son los blackers,que hacen el headbangin' hacia atras...jeje!
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« Respuesta #16 : 29 de Junio de 2009, 03:35:05 »

Asi de malos son los blackers,que hacen el headbangin' hacia atras...jeje!
bueno cradle of filth mas que black metal que tiene toques pero no m parece black como tal ami me parece un genero unico yo lo llamaria algo asi como transilvanian metal, dracula's metal o frankenstein metal, que no digo que no me guste algo su musica e, pero me parecen un poquito ridiculos para llegarse a llamar black metal.
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« Respuesta #17 : 09 de Julio de 2009, 01:15:36 »

Los consideran un subgénero de gothic metal, pero son muy peculiares...

Y oye, q a mí el black metal me gusta, no me parcen malos grupos como Gorgoroth, Mayhem, Burzum, Dimmu Borgir...
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« Respuesta #18 : 09 de Julio de 2009, 01:26:42 »

En wikihow he encontrado cosas interesantes, si no os importa q esté en inglés os los pongo...
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« Respuesta #19 : 09 de Julio de 2009, 11:50:58 »

Por mi adelante XD
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« Respuesta #20 : 10 de Julio de 2009, 01:39:07 »

LEARNING HOW TO DO HARSH METAL VOCALS

Steps

   1. Listen to an album that showcases harsh vocal techniques. Good bands include Deicide, All that Remains Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse, Suffocation, Behemoth, Hate Eternal, Vader, Pestilence, Disgorge (US), or Death.
   2. Learn how to sing properly. Start with something with vibrato, like Classic Rock or Progressive, i.e. Nevermore. The most important technique for performing death metal vocals is to be able to control your breathing, establishing a balance between the force used by your diaphragm and vocal cords. Using only the vocal cords will put undue pressure on them and is sure to damage them (minor damage will heal in time). Proper technique is established by using the diaphragm to push air out of your lungs.
   3. Warm up your voice before recording or performing death metal. "Warming up" can mean anything from singing mid-tone melodies to delivering your vocal patterns in a clean chest tone. Even humming for five minutes would be more beneficial to you than not warming up your voice at all.
   4. When performing live, drink lukewarm water or tea an hour before performing, as well as in between songs. Avoid cold water, as it shocks the voice. Following these simple guidelines will help protect and strengthen your vocal chords. If you don't sing properly, you may not be singing for much longer.
   5. Fill up your lungs with air, then push out some of the air, tightening your throat and moving your tonsils as you do this. Do this all in one motion, but don't push too hard. Aim the sound higher in your throat to make a "dying old man"-like sound. It should sound something like a black metal raspy voice. From there lower the pitch in your throat the same way you would with your normal voice. At first, it won’t sound like much-- it takes some time to get used to.
   6. Pick a lyric you want to perform. Try to choose songs from bands like Slayer, Metallica, AC/DC or other bands who do not use the death grunts, as it will be easier to rehearse your grunts (Six Feet Under has redone classic rock songs and given them a Death Metal makeover). Try singing it normally, then slowly add more "fire" to it, until you can feel your diaphragm really pushing and you're getting that deep sound you're looking for. If you don't succeed in the deep guttural vocals try the raspier approach to these vocals like Mark Hunter of Chimaira. Anyone can achieve this, men as well as women (listen to the current vocalist for Arch Enemy), as long as their vocal range is Alto or lower. Arch Enemy's Vocalist Angela Gossow is an alto, and will say it herself--if you are a Soprano, don't even try Death Growls.
   7. Practice barking like a dog. Take a deep breath and go from your diaphragm. Force the sound out from the bottom of your belly, really imitating the barking sound. Then extend the barking sound and try it with several words. Breathing like a dog, as stupid as it sounds, can help you open your throat and get a guttural sound to your grunts. Don't do it loudly at the beginning--increase your volume as you get better at it.
   8. After you've mastered basic death grunts, move on to bigger things. Make your grunts louder, faster, lower, deeper, or all of the above. It will help add some variety to your vocals.
   9. After you've mastered death metal vocals, try to mix things up by learning another vocal style--even the best death metal vocalists don't use only death grunts in their songs. For example, George Fisher of Cannibal Corpse is known for having high-pitched screams in a few of his songs and Trevor Strand of The Black Dahlia Murder has been known for using a mix of death grunts, high-pitched shrieking and screaming.Also Jerry Sturino from Path changes his pitch during his songs Also, start headbanging when you're performing the vocals. It will make your presentation seem a lot more intense!
  10. After you're done performing death metal vocals, be sure to drink a healthful beverage such as the universal choice, water. Milk is a definite bad choice as it produces phlegm, which will coat your throat, stunting your progress. (Note that if your throat is sore, you're most likely doing something wrong.) Don't drink juice-- it contains citric acid, which will eat away at your throat. An occasional lemon squeezed into a glass of lukewarm water is fine, however. Water can be consumed before, during and after practicing and performing.


Tips

    * The smooth muscles of your throat should not ever hurt while performing death metal or black metal vocals. However, when you first start out the exterior muscles of the throat will become sore from holding your throat in a new position.
    * The sound should be originating from the spot in your throat located at the center of your collar bone where it dips in a bit (Larynx/Voice Box/Adams Apple).
    * Be a badass and learn how to sing clean vocals as well. You'll be more useful in a band.
    * Constantly experiment with what your throat can do!
    * Learn to control rasp and phlegm. (Rasp is air coming up; phlegm is mucus in your mouth and throat)
    * Harsh vocals will grow in volume as you gain skill with them and use them correctly.
    * Don't use distortion or effects to cover any lack of vocal ability. It sounds bad and it's obvious why you did it.
    * To create a more "brutal" sound, you can experiment with saliva in your mouth. It can be trapped between your tongue and throat. It's that "gurgling" you hear in many songs. An open throat is the key. The notes sung and air must come up with ease. One can use their tongue to deflect air being forced up and change tone. The lips are the second method of changing tone. You should never change tone by tightening your throat. There are many techs used in harsh vocals, but keep with a simple growl and scream until you've gained quite the skill within this vocal type.
    * A little advice from George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher from Cannibal Corpse. When asked in an interview if his vocals strain his throat, he commented: "Not anymore. That's the funny thing. People ask me like, "Well, how'd you learn to sing like that?" Because I put on the albums and started singing to them. And some people say to me, "But my voice starts to hurt after ten minutes." Well yeah, but . Practice this until you can hear the gargling noise in the back of your throat.
    * A good way to practice your grunts is to say the letters a, e, i, o, n, u. As you get better at your grunts, try doing this faster.
    * The "cookie monster" effect must not be reproduced by straining your voice. That will only damage your vocal chords. You have to push through your abdomen. All of your vocal strength comes from the diaphragm. It also helps if your back is in a fixed position. Don't slouch or leave your spine limp. Inhale and belt out a deep roar by loosening your vocal chords. Your throat has to be relaxed in order for your growl to rumble with intensity. Again, don't force your voice to crack. If it still doesn't crack, then your vocal chords simply weren't made for pitch will be lower. This inhaling technique can produce an extreme range of pitch, allowing you to both grunt and squeal like a pig. The incoming airflow will be nowhere near the volume of normal speech. You will need to speak using exaggerated lip movements and the front of the tongue while keeping the back of the tongue muscle in place. While an "inhale vocal tech" may sound "cool", be careful using it. It can (and likely will) damage your vocal cords. The inhale sound can still be created from properly done harsh vocals but requires range needed.
    * Don't smoke, and if you insist on drinking, drink in moderation. Smoking may deepen your voice, but it will also reduce your breath support. Delivering death vocals requires a great deal of energy, and drugs of any sort will only emasculate your staying power.
    * Exercise is a good idea. You'll need strong neck muscles to support the pressure that extreme metal vocals put on your neck area.
    * Over time you'll learn your range, your skills will increase, and you can try to achieve your favorite sounds.
    * Practice normal singing for a month first. This will really strengthen drive and make it easier on you when you start doing death growls.
    * Be sure to have variation in your vocals. Monotone growling will sound boring after awhile, no matter how impressive your vocals are. A good vocalist for inspiration is Matthew Chalk, formerly of Psycroptic.
    * Drinking a lukewarm liquid may aid in expanding your vocal cords, helping your voice get deeper.
    * How your mouth is shaped will help define the tone of your voice. For example, if your mouth is opened like a fish mouth, a lower tone can be achieved. Also, cupping your hands around the microphone will not only make your voice louder, but can also help to deliver deeper growls.
    * If you're already good at screaming, picking up death metal vocals should be a piece of cake. Already having skill in death metal singing is also a benefit when learning.
    * With two vocalists, one doing high or violent shrieks and another doing deep in harmony can create a superb sound. Bands such as Deicide, Despised Icon, Carcass, Dying Fetus, Novembers Doom, Draconian, Exhumed and Nile use this in different ways to great affect.
    * Visualize a column of air rising from your diaphragm, through your chest, and up through your facial mask (the space behind the nose, under the eyes, above the upper teeth.) Keep your larynx down also. This technique will not only help your death metal vocals be strong and present, but is also the correct technique for melodic singing. The only difference between them is that regular voice comes from your vocal chords while death metal vocals come from your false vocal chords. (Instead of vibrating your vocal chords, focus your growling sound under your vocal chords, around your collarbone.)
    * “Timing’s a big deal. When someone’s out of time, anybody that hears it is going to know. It just sounds like mush. I’ve seen bands where I know when somebody is off. More so with the vocals and the drums, I can tell that as well because I’ve followed drums my whole life. For timing, it can be hard when you’re banging your head the whole time. We do have a lot of stuff that’s in 4/4, but it’s not simple. You’ve got to pay attention to what you’re doing. I’m still banging my head, but I’m counting the whole time, and then you’ve got people diving stuff going on around you the whole time. It is a challenge. I’m not saying it’s the hardest thing in the world to do, I just get annoyed when it’s made out to be easy, or at least what I’ve heard from people about this DVD."- George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher
    * GOOD PRACTICE SONGS:
          o SLOW:
                + Normal Vocals: “Black Sabbath” by Black Sabbath, “Dead Skin Mask” by Slayer, "Hard Rock Hallelujah" by Lordi.
                + Death Metal Vocals: “Death Walking Terror”- Cannibal Corpse, "Festering in the Crypt" by Cannibal Corpse, “I Cum Blood” by Cannibal Corpse, "The Jealous Sun" by Novembers Doom, "Sarcophagus" by Nile
          o FAST:
                + Normal: “Aggressive Perfector” by Slayer, “Dittohead” by Slayer, “Jesus Saves” by Slayer, “Necrophobic” by Slayer
                + Death Metal: “Disposal of the Body” by Cannibal Corpse, “Homage for Satan” by Deicide, “Post Mortal Ejaculation” by Cannibal Corpse, “The Exorcist” by Possessed, "The Optimist" by Skinless, "4:20" by Six Feet Under, "Stabwound" by Necrophagist, "Egypt, the Red Earth" by Necronomicon, "Buried By The Dead" by Bloodbath, "Sick Salvation" by Bloodbath, "Prometherion" by Behemoth, "Scrolls of the Megilloth" by Mortification, "Demon of the Fall" by Opeth.
    * Note that some singers believe that milk is a good choice as it provides proteins and naturally produces phlegm, which will help to soothe and coat your throat.[citation needed]

Warnings


    * All singing of this type degrades your voice permanently, resulting in loss of range as well as other serious disorders such as vocal nodules and polyps (growths on the vocal cords). "Correct technique" can minimize this damage, but it is important not to overdo it and to protect your voice just as your band's guitarist would with his guitar (the expensive one, not the one he smashed at your last gig). Remember, a guitarist can always buy a new guitar, but you only get one chance with your voice. Try using a technique called "Marking" which is used by professional singers, from genres Metal to Classical, in which you only talk the shouting lyrics and then during recording/preformance you actually shout. It can help alot and is very useful!
    * Inhales are not a reliable technique for death metal. They often sound too high pitched and are more or less a way of cheating. Although they may not hurt your voice, they just don't sound as cool.
    * You can severely damage your voice if you use prolonged bad technique, although mild damage will heal in time. If your vocals do become damaged stop doing harsh vocals and whispering! Normal talking should be fine.
    * Don't smoke or drink excessively if you want to do these vocals! It may provide pain relief at the time, but you will pay for it later. It's hard enough to scream/growl and headbang without any toxins in your system.
    * Don't be surprised if you don't sound like your favorite harsh vocalist—everyone has a different singing voice.
    * Prepare for some raised eyebrows and harsh criticism when showing friends or family your unique style of singing. Some people don't consider death metal singing real singing at all.
    * If you go for the extremely low/brutal Chris Barnes-style vocals, the chance is greater that you will damage your voice.
    * If you have a throat infection , a cold or the flu with coughing, give your vocals a rest for a day or two.
    * Harsh vocals always come from your gut, never your throat.





HOW TO GROWL



Steps


   1. Learn how to breathe properly: sit down with your back straight, and just hum with your normal voice and mouth closed. When humming, one automatically uses his/her diaphragm and abdominal muscles, so you should feel your abdomen goes in, while your chest and shoulders aren't moving. This is exhaling. To inhale, expand your abdomen and lower back ribs, while not moving the chest and shoulders. Practice this breathing, and master it.
   2. Hum (with your mouth closed) and gradually increase the volume. Notice how your abs are shrinking towards the inside (this means that your diaphragm is relaxing and pushing air out).
   3. Keep increasing the volume, and you'll notice that your humming is kind of vibrating.
   4. Inhale some air, and push the humming even further, making it vibrate even more. Keep the airflow steady (about five seconds is the maximum).
   5. Inhale again, hum like that again, and open your mouth. You've got yourself a growl. That's your 'death growl'. Now you can just alter the pitch, and make it sound "lower" or "higher".
          * For Black Metal grim-style vocals, you simply growl with a higher pitch: hum in a high pitch than your normal voice, increase the volume, keep your tongue down, make a grim face (believe it or not - it helps), and open your mouth. Keep your head tilted up a bit. You've got yourself a grim voice. It might take some time to work on raising the pitch for some people.


Tips


    * Inhaling growling could damage your vocal chords in various ways, but it doesn't hurt usually. Overall it's recommended to avoid inhaled vocals.
    * This style of vocalization is hard to explain in words, much harder than 'clean' singing, because it's quite personal, and it's kind of taboo to even talk about it. Anyway, the above are just very basic tools which may, or may not, help you to start, find if your voice fits this style, or not.
    * Always warm-up for about 10 or more minutes before practicing.
    * Remember to drink lukewarm water during practice sessions and shows.
    * Make a habit of drinking tea with honey, not too hot though. It's tasty too Sonrisa
    * Eat healthy (to avoid heartburn), don't drink milk and soda drinks or at least avoid them before and after sessions.
    * Don't drink alcohol or smoke. Some say it helps, but it doesn't help your vocals nor your general health.
    * Death growling never hurts. So if it hurts for you, even slightly, revise your technique.
    * You will probably not sound like your favorite singers, never. Everyone has his own set of chords, and will produce unique vocals. If you try to sound like someone, you will probably end up hurting yourself.
    * Black metal type of vocals may hurt if pushing too hard or after very long and intense sessions. Keep that in mind and try to avoid those situations.
    * Practice no more than 10-15 minutes a day in the beginning, it will take time for your vocal chords to adjust to the abuse and eventually you will sound better. If it hurts badly in the beginning though, stop and revise your technique - maybe you're pushing too much?
    * Keep your body totally relaxed. Form the voice with your mind, express it with your folds. Don't try to force the vocal folds to do what they shouldn't do. Keep your throat relaxed.
    * Record yourself to find the right volume, pitch and style. It's recommended to record, listen and listen again only after few hours, so your mind will be able to spot even the smallest mistakes.
    * Growling is always loud (compared to speaking voice).


Warnings

    * Never push. Never tense any muscle
    * Don't use your throat muscles. If you feel vibrations in your head and not in your chest, you're using your throat. If the volume is very low, you're probably using your throat. Throat growling is acceptable, but it will hurt and will damage your chords. Practice those at your own risk.
    * Monitor your breathing. Improper breathing may result in bad technique and, eventually, damage.
    * Never growl at someone with a mental illness. This may cause a problem.



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« Respuesta #21 : 10 de Julio de 2009, 10:09:30 »

Tambien te puedes intentar no hacer tu la voz gutural y dejar que lo haga un ordenador...en ese caso obtendras resultados tan divertidos como este:
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« Respuesta #22 : 11 de Julio de 2009, 07:58:07 »

jajajaja, casi q prefiero aprender...  =p
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